Recall Rules for state races.
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I have been thinking about state recall procedures for thing like governor recall attempts and am wondering if the process needs to be changed. Watching the most recent attempt in California to recall a governor looking into it a recall petition it only takes 65 signatures to start the beginning processes of recalling. That is a very small amount of people in a state with such a large population. That is like 1 angry pta basically. The recall cost the state 267 million dollars and was a huge margin of victory for the person they were trying to recall. I know some states are looking into changing their procedures to stop the possibility of a party just trying a recall because they can basically since it takes so much money. In California people were pointing out the help that money could have done in other areas of the state instead. Now while I think the ability to recall a legislator is important I also think that people in today's political climate can take advantage and knowing they don't have the backing to actually recall use it as a soap box type thing. I have seen states, I believe including California now, talk about upping the amount of initial signatures needed or requiring signatures from several regions of the state in large numbers to show that it is a larger want than 1 group in 1 area. Have also seen the proposal of the party who puts forth the recall effort having to pay for the recall if the margin is over a certain amount as it shows that it wasn't a statewide want and they did little research into what the masses wanted in their party. I do believe there needs to be some change as money is tight in a lot of states already so while voters should have the ability to hold a state politician accountable I think it also needs to be a big enough movement to justify the monetary cost. I knowneverybstate is different obviously but what would you like to see as an ideal way. What are your thoughts on the processes...not talking specific politicians or parties or anything and asking about state level and below.
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I agree there needs to be an overhaul. In my state the govenor has had recall attempts against them I believe 2 or 3 times and none have mattered. They have comfortably won every recall because they haven't even been able to get to the point of election because they can't get enough signatures (which is 15% of the total number of ones that were cast in the election for gubernatorial canidates) and while I understand that group doesn't believe them a good governor it at this point is just more of a show. I think the idea of needing a large % from more of a state is a good idea. Not sure how it would work but I have heard the talk of a monetary fine for the party if they get to votes then the current governor wins the election by a huge margin. I would need to see how that would exactly work and where the money would come from and go to but money loss may stop a recall for show or simply because they can.
It takes much more than 65 signatures. The petition to start the process with Newsom had over 1.7 million signatures. Can I ask where you saw the petition onlynhad 65 signatures? For a recall of a statewide officer, a petition must be signed by registered voters equal in
number to twelve percent (12%) of the last vote for the office. Signatures must be
obtained from at least five different counties and must be equal in number to at least
one percent (1%) of the last vote for the office in each of five counties.
(Cal. Const., Art. II, Sec. 14(b); Elections Code § 11221(c))They only needed 1,495,709 valid signatures. They got 1,719,900https://calmatters.org/explainers/recalling-california-governor-explained/Every state is different. I have not looked at each state's rules on this, but do not have a problem with the number of votes required. I also do not believe we should make it more difficult to start this process. I think it is important to always keep the power in the people's hands.
Ab
It looks to me that more than enough people wanted to do it. I don't believe it was a waste of money. The people the wanted it done have their reasons. They followed the rules and called for a vote. Democracy at work.
I bet if people looked, they would find the government wasting way way more than this all the time.
Lu
In California it was a colossal waste of money. We all knew what the results were going to be.
Ab
It takes 65 to start the petition process. That process does not cost a lot. There are petition requests put in all the time for all kinds of reasons. I would not want to make it harder for the public to request changes.
The important part was they got enough signatures from enough counties. And I stated in my original comment that I do believe 12% is enough. I stand by everything I said. If enough people want a vote to recall, it should happen. I don't feel that it is a waste of money. I would not want to see a larger percent.
Good topic. I totally agree with changing the laws around a recall. It’s not right to use money for something that doesn’t even hold any weight, and 65 people is a Fkn joke. I’m not sure what percentage would be good, but that, as well as it needing to be from more than one or two counties would be a good start. What an absolute waste of money. I’m thinking at least 33% of the total voters (not eligible, but a third of who actually voted for that political position) would be a minimal request. If a third of people aren’t calling for it/think it needs to be done, then I’d say scrap it. I am open to other views as I haven’t really given this too much thought, so I’m interested in what others will say, and that may sway my opinion.
St
Agreed. 12 or 15% is not even an accurate pulse of a whole state in my opinion.
Th
Yes, which are both way to low, for either, in my opinion.
St
I think she means the 65 for the initial intent to recall petition. After that you can actually start gathering signatures and that is the 12% which is still low to me. But it is technically only 65 to formally signal intent to proceed and file to start gathering signatures.
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